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    You sound childish or should i call this euphoria. Please wake up to reality. Try to understand the problems with your country before you spend precious time barking up the wrong tree.

    Quote Originally Posted by misslavee View Post
    I feel u poster, the way to go about it is via media by this I mean both international and local media, while d bulk of us would be out demonstrating all day non-stop, others would be doing the underground work of contacting all the media and press men around the Globe! Let the world focus on our nation and the happenings, let our so called 'leaders' be put to shame and brought to their knees. Remember we are not only fighting for ourselves but also for our children and the unborn generation. I am in full support of this. I will fight for the redemption of OUR LAND

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    Another joke....venueindoor sports hall of stadium

    And these are people who claim to be willing to give up their lives for future generations.


    Quote Originally Posted by misslavee View Post
    The venue should either be in lagos or abuja cos those are d 2 power house in 9ja... As per where we would meet, I suggest a very big place like d indoor sports hall of stadium

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    So if you get your dream job (and stop writing tests) you will give up on the protests. Please match your motivation with your goals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iyke Jigga View Post
    I can see that this is a very big task, but we must undertake it. Please let us change the date (24th October) that has already been fixed by all long time ago. I know 1st of October is an independence day, it is risky to carry out the protest a day b4 that day. The fact is that the venue is a major priority, because I am really down into this and I am not going back. I am fed up of writing test. Abuja residents are U ready? The earlier the preparation, the better 4 us. Please I need a reply

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    I am out for a meeting and will be back with my opinion on what I have read here thus far. But I believe we can do better that rant and chant over things that we have failed to understand. None of the protesters has disclosed their leanings - either socialist / capitalist. And they just want to organise a protest.

    I'll be back!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kafox View Post
    don't b shallow minded bro. Is id not d govt that creates a conducive atmosphere for investors? No supply of water,electricity, good road networks and poor education among many others cannot give nigeria a good capitalist economy, k? Even nigerians'l not invest here. So be more reasonable.
    I get your point and I know I should have mentioned that the government should create enabling environment. However, as I know it the government is already working on these areas you mentioned. ELECTRICITY? President Goodluck is on it. When the power sector is fully liberalized it will become like the telecoms sector. Moreover, there are ongoing power-plant building projects in the country as I write. EDUCATION? President Goodluck is adding five more universities to the ones on ground. Having said that, what is your protest about? I already read the first post where the poster suggests that "we hand our CVs to the senators" (QUOTE paraphrased.) My point remains valid in this context. The government cannot directly create the jobs you need. If your purpose is to ask government to fix the ailing infrastructure, which is already being fixed by President Goodluck, then I think you people are just trying to be mischievous and imitative of the uprisings in other parts of the world. This is unpatriotic and its incubation must be halted at once. Let's respect our listening and promising President and see what the future holds for us. God bless you.

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    Nigerians...are investing in Nigeria. The barber on your street is an investor, the mechanic in your neighbourhood is investing, you are able to logon on to this blog and post b'cos someone somewhere invested in Nigeria. People invested in Nigeria and set up banks in the likes of GTBank and UBA. The IOC's, if Nigeria were as unstable as Somalia they wouldn't be here. Now that's where your reasoning should have started.

    Great nations take a lot of commitment to build, a lot of sacrifices to be made and still leave a lot to be desired in the end. Let me quote you "No supply of water,electricity, good road networks and poor education": the fact that you don't have access to these things do not mean that the system is dead. With the good education you have what is your idea of a good capitalist economy?

    Please, and in the interest of the discerning public, do us all the following favour:

    Highlight Nigeria's most pressing problems, their root causes and your proposed best solutions. 3 paragraphs will suffice.

    Looking forward to an educating debate.


    Quote Originally Posted by kafox View Post
    don't b shallow minded bro. Is id not d govt that creates a conducive atmosphere for investors? No supply of water,electricity, good road networks and poor education among many others cannot give nigeria a good capitalist economy, k? Even nigerians'l not invest here. So be more reasonable.

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    Mr Obinna,by that I meant where we would meet 4 our meetings o! Not d main protest do not get me wrong, since u claim 2 be mr know it all, y don't u arrange everything urself

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    Re: Where is Nigeria heading towards?

    Does your post deserve a reply? Ok, maybe it does, for posterity sake.

    Here you go again talking carelessly --- where did I make a claim of being "mr know it all". And, there is nothing for me to arrange. I thought a careful perusal of my posts would have aided your understanding of my stance on this issue.

    You don't fail to amuse me, especially when you parade statements that expose your ignorance. "Meet at a stadium for a meeting for a protest" - that's exactly how funny you sound.

    What do you want for yourself and your progeny? Please give us an answer that would convince us of how patriotic and selfless you are.

    Quote Originally Posted by misslavee View Post
    Mr Obinna,by that I meant where we would meet 4 our meetings o! Not d main protest do not get me wrong, since u claim 2 be mr know it all, y don't u arrange everything urself

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    My dear Mr Obinna Julius, i have been following your post carefully and convincingly it shows you are not in support of this protest because every bit of your comment is geared towards condemning contributions made by people who want it to go on, this you do by selectively picking out some of the comments and systematically transforms it into negative ones. Don't get me wrong, your criticism might be correct but have you made any effort to at least offer a better contribution towards the ones you've been condemning?

    You don't need a soothsayer to tell you that the situation of things in this country is nothing to write home about(especially with the name and respect it should have earned a long time ago). Do i need to remind you that government response to this problems is way to slow and the protest is aimed to drive them to speed up on the areas they've started working on and as well touch other areas that requires immediate approach.

    You wanted us to point on the areas that needs fixing. First of all let me start on the most important area of all.
    1. Human or manpower development: you must agree with me for us to have a robust economy our government needs to train it's citizens in the areas of academics, skills acquisition, technology etc to start competing with other countries in the world. This is the secret of economic burst in China. Look at the state of higher institutions in our country. Do you think they are capable of giving us the desired change? One of our colleague made us to understand that president Goodluck Jonathan is building more nine universities. Honestly, do you think that nine more universities will equip our youths to transform this economy like China or Brazil? I think training centers is even better than building universities; at least our graduate will go for skill acquisition training after graduating to start up their own business immediately instead of waiting for jobs. Our universities has been neglected to the extent that lecturers behave anyhow they like; degrees are bought with money (handouts get score, assignments get price, exams still get im own price), poor amenities, lack of high-tech equipment. This is happening because they are not regulated and monitored by our government, but I tire for this our foreign graduates oo, they no see how schools over there dey operate, na to come steal money (Bankole dem) na wetin dem dey learn quick (my apologies to the ones with genuine goals). Most of the schools over there are certified by recognize international bodies. Please, can you remind me the position of the best university in Nigeria in world ranking?

    Yes, internationally recognized certifying body, do you know contrary to other countries our national certifying body SON is not even registered with international standard organization (ISO). That’s the reason why most of made in Nigeria products no dey cross border and we want to be among the top countries come 2020(dem go still extend am). This now brings me to second devastating approach utilize by our government to cause more harm than good towards the masses.

    2. Government Agencies/Ministries. Our dear leaders have formed the habit of opening one ministry/agency or another in the nameof solving problems facing the country. They might have good intentions of establishing these agencies but their inefficiency in regulating, managing and monitoring the activities of these offices has resulted in diverging our resources towards endemic loss. Since they are incapable of monitoring the activities of these agencies, most of the funds appropriated for them to function have been shared among themselves; even some of the revenues realized could not be accounted for (like BPE). Now they’ve have established a new one (ministry of trade and whatever) which promised to create 3 million jobs in 2-3 years. If they cannot manage the ones they created how will they manage this one, if not to continue their looting? You will see after this protest they may decide to create ministry of graduate employment.

    3. Electricity, this endemic has destroyed 60% of our economy. I must confess I have seen little (very little) improvement in power around my area, at least we dey manage see light but dem still the share am every two days. You see, the way they are going about it, is way too slow. Someone informed us that they are building new power generating plants. My broda, no be today we begin hear that one. This promise of building additional power plants started from Obasanjo to Yar’dua regime who gave us December 2010 as deadline(Oga Goodluck dey there oo) . You do not want to hear the amount spent on this quest. Listen, one of the reasons why I voted Goodluck is because of his approach towards power then, he promised to completely liberate power sector and allow foreign investors to come and transform that sector like telecommunication. But the thing we agreed on no be wetin we come dey see. I was expecting to hear that one or more companies has been granted licenses to build power generating plants but he is gradually reversing to the steps of past leaders, so we need to bring him back on track.

    Oga Goodluck motives these days I no come understand again oo, he and honorable minister promised to renovate our refineries and build more three including fertilizer plant which will generate up to 5million jobs.

    Please Mr Obyno, I want you to help me ask Oga, why they’ve caged oil and gas sector and not liberate it for investors to come in? Why they entered into negotiation with Niger government to import petroleum products and pay huge subsidy on them in the name of helping us and not concentrate on building the refineries again which could have reduced unemployment by 30% and eliminate this huge subsidy? We know wetin dey, we just want you to give us answers.

    Secondly, did you listen to senate debate on the issue of unemployment, their resolution and ruling? If you do, what’s your take on that? If you listened to that debate, you’ll know that some leaders meant well for this country and as such, they need to know if their effort is appreciated so that the bad eggs among them who have sworn to continue benefiting parasitically from the sufferings of the masses will be put to shame. In fact, our protest come October will give them all the assurance they need.

    I still get plenty to write oo, like job security, godfatherism, corrupt recruitment process (scratch cards), man know man, inability to obtain funds to establish businesses, N50 billion issue etc, but make I stop here for now.

    I believe these issues are sure enough reason for us to protest.
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    Obinna or wat eva, are U sure U are not a political aid, who is spying on us and have come to discourage us? Seems U do not see things the way others are seeing it. I am a bit surprised sha, maybe U are comfortable, that is Y U put up these write ups. Well not even U can make me do otherwise, my mind is made up and I want to build my career, so is every Nigerian graduate who went through the four walls of the University. Do U think any Nigerian graduate is supposed to be crying for a job, after accessing all that we have. Now they have traced oil in Kwara state, instead of all these God blessed resources serving us as a source of blessing to us, it has turned out to be a source of looting resources by these politician. Nigerian graduates are now seen as slaves in the hands of these Indians, Lebanese, Chinese etc, paying 30 thousand naira to graduates and making us feel they are doing good to us (in a country we call our own). All U have to do is to discourage me and others sey? This attitude people put up in this trend is somehow annoying and please if U are not in support of this, I think U should not write any negative and annoying words here so that we can know were we are heading to. Thanks

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    Good morning,

    A very long post you had there...yet it is fully laced with ignorance and hearsay. I ask yet again, does this deserve a reply? I find myself giving you to dilute the tension you intend to create by making statements that hold no ground against the facts.

    SON is fully registered with t he ISO.
    Akin to ANSI of the USA, SON is registered with the ISO as a member body.
    A member body of ISO is the national body "most representative of standardization in its country". Only one such body for each country is accepted for membership of ISO. Member bodies are entitled to participate and exercise full voting rights on any technical committee and policy committee of ISO.
    For more information, visit:ISO - ISO members - Nigeria (SON)

    I had my 1st degree in a Nigerian university, and yes, our system is barely comparable with what you got in developed economies. But that's no limit for what one can achieve in life. Our graduates continue to prove that to whom less is given more is obtainable. That's the Nigerian spirit, much like the American dream-wherein the only limit that man has is that of failing to think and act beyond one's current circumstances.

    Many times we allow frustration to overcloud our ability to excel in seemingly impossible facets of human endeavour. Following the pattern of Diogenes, the Cynic, we have converted ourselves to a mentality that sees no good in our system. If you ever get to understand the true nature of a political system based on CAPITALISM you will agree that these imbalances are barely inseparable from the whole.

    "The secret of economic burst in China" is not education...read 'not education'. China runs a communist system. Facing political isolation in the 70's it took radical steps to amend the Marxist ideology. The major drivers of China's development are infrastructure development (which we are doing...yes slowly) and enticement of foreign investment (mostly from Capitalist countries). Core to this development was the establishment of FTZs. If you appreciate what FTZs mean then you know why they are a hard sell in Nigeria.

    You prefer to pick issues with a government that you voted in, maybe you even campaigned on its mandate. And you voted in a Govt. solely because of Power issues? Do you really lack a political ideology? This makes your cause more destructive and exposes your selfishness and lack of patriotism.

    Between 1999 and today, have you ever had reason to approach and table your concerns to your ward councillor, state legislative rep, federal representative or your senator. Of course you will say they are inaccessible. But what effort have you made? Can you upload a scanned copy of a signed letter you have written to any of these reps voicing your opinion on pressing National issues? I desire to see such. I work with colleagues who spend at least 1 hour of their working day complaining about the way the government is being managed. And yet their work attitude give them a perfect spot on Adolf Hitler's defunct cabinet.

    And so my friend, we share your plight on the issues affecting Nigeria. If you had a godfather who would give you a recommendation to get the job you so desire this morning, you will lay this protest to rest forever and tell others to leave everything to God.

    Ultimately, your fate lies in your hands and the will you possess and apply.

    A protest, for the reasons you cited, will only do more harm to countless other Nigerian youths who are desirous of change by taking the initiative.






    Quote Originally Posted by nnamdo4u View Post
    My dear Mr Obinna Julius, i have been following your post carefully and convincingly it shows you are not in support of this protest because every bit of your comment is geared towards condemning contributions made by people who want it to go on, this you do by selectively picking out some of the comments and systematically transforms it into negative ones. Don't get me wrong, your criticism might be correct but have you made any effort to at least offer a better contribution towards the ones you've been condemning?

    You don't need a soothsayer to tell you that the situation of things in this country is nothing to write home about(especially with the name and respect it should have earned a long time ago). Do i need to remind you that government response to this problems is way to slow and the protest is aimed to drive them to speed up on the areas they've started working on and as well touch other areas that requires immediate approach.

    You wanted us to point on the areas that needs fixing. First of all let me start on the most important area of all.
    1. Human or manpower development: you must agree with me for us to have a robust economy our government needs to train it's citizens in the areas of academics, skills acquisition, technology etc to start competing with other countries in the world. This is the secret of economic burst in China. Look at the state of higher institutions in our country. Do you think they are capable of giving us the desired change? One of our colleague made us to understand that president Goodluck Jonathan is building more nine universities. Honestly, do you think that nine more universities will equip our youths to transform this economy like China or Brazil? I think training centers is even better than building universities; at least our graduate will go for skill acquisition training after graduating to start up their own business immediately instead of waiting for jobs. Our universities has been neglected to the extent that lecturers behave anyhow they like; degrees are bought with money (handouts get score, assignments get price, exams still get im own price), poor amenities, lack of high-tech equipment. This is happening because they are not regulated and monitored by our government, but I tire for this our foreign graduates oo, they no see how schools over there dey operate, na to come steal money (Bankole dem) na wetin dem dey learn quick (my apologies to the ones with genuine goals). Most of the schools over there are certified by recognize international bodies. Please, can you remind me the position of the best university in Nigeria in world ranking?

    Yes, internationally recognized certifying body, do you know contrary to other countries our national certifying body SON is not even registered with international standard organization (ISO). That’s the reason why most of made in Nigeria products no dey cross border and we want to be among the top countries come 2020(dem go still extend am). This now brings me to second devastating approach utilize by our government to cause more harm than good towards the masses.

    2. Government Agencies/Ministries. Our dear leaders have formed the habit of opening one ministry/agency or another in the nameof solving problems facing the country. They might have good intentions of establishing these agencies but their inefficiency in regulating, managing and monitoring the activities of these offices has resulted in diverging our resources towards endemic loss. Since they are incapable of monitoring the activities of these agencies, most of the funds appropriated for them to function have been shared among themselves; even some of the revenues realized could not be accounted for (like BPE). Now they’ve have established a new one (ministry of trade and whatever) which promised to create 3 million jobs in 2-3 years. If they cannot manage the ones they created how will they manage this one, if not to continue their looting? You will see after this protest they may decide to create ministry of graduate employment.

    3. Electricity, this endemic has destroyed 60% of our economy. I must confess I have seen little (very little) improvement in power around my area, at least we dey manage see light but dem still the share am every two days. You see, the way they are going about it, is way too slow. Someone informed us that they are building new power generating plants. My broda, no be today we begin hear that one. This promise of building additional power plants started from Obasanjo to Yar’dua regime who gave us December 2010 as deadline(Oga Goodluck dey there oo) . You do not want to hear the amount spent on this quest. Listen, one of the reasons why I voted Goodluck is because of his approach towards power then, he promised to completely liberate power sector and allow foreign investors to come and transform that sector like telecommunication. But the thing we agreed on no be wetin we come dey see. I was expecting to hear that one or more companies has been granted licenses to build power generating plants but he is gradually reversing to the steps of past leaders, so we need to bring him back on track.

    Oga Goodluck motives these days I no come understand again oo, he and honorable minister promised to renovate our refineries and build more three including fertilizer plant which will generate up to 5million jobs.

    Please Mr Obyno, I want you to help me ask Oga, why they’ve caged oil and gas sector and not liberate it for investors to come in? Why they entered into negotiation with Niger government to import petroleum products and pay huge subsidy on them in the name of helping us and not concentrate on building the refineries again which could have reduced unemployment by 30% and eliminate this huge subsidy? We know wetin dey, we just want you to give us answers.

    Secondly, did you listen to senate debate on the issue of unemployment, their resolution and ruling? If you do, what’s your take on that? If you listened to that debate, you’ll know that some leaders meant well for this country and as such, they need to know if their effort is appreciated so that the bad eggs among them who have sworn to continue benefiting parasitically from the sufferings of the masses will be put to shame. In fact, our protest come October will give them all the assurance they need.

    I still get plenty to write oo, like job security, godfatherism, corrupt recruitment process (scratch cards), man know man, inability to obtain funds to establish businesses, N50 billion issue etc, but make I stop here for now.

    I believe these issues are sure enough reason for us to protest.

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    Your posts are so comical I laugh when I reply them.

    Spying on you in a public forum? What is a political aid?

    You seem to me like you despise objective criticism especially when you have no basis for your intended actions. Because if you did, you would gladly welcome any contributions and fine-tune whatever plans you are making for change. Are you already having feelings of discouragement? And this is just a post, not tear-gas of rubber bullets.

    Please try to differentiate between resources we have and resources we are exploiting. When the oil runs out or an alternative to oil is found will you continue to sing this common song of "all the resources we have"?

    Your statements are just too shallow I am at a loss at what to tell you.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iyke Jigga View Post
    Obinna or wat eva, are U sure U are not a political aid, who is spying on us and have come to discourage us? Seems U do not see things the way others are seeing it. I am a bit surprised sha, maybe U are comfortable, that is Y U put up these write ups. Well not even U can make me do otherwise, my mind is made up and I want to build my career, so is every Nigerian graduate who went through the four walls of the University. Do U think any Nigerian graduate is supposed to be crying for a job, after accessing all that we have. Now they have traced oil in Kwara state, instead of all these God blessed resources serving us as a source of blessing to us, it has turned out to be a source of looting resources by these politician. Nigerian graduates are now seen as slaves in the hands of these Indians, Lebanese, Chinese etc, paying 30 thousand naira to graduates and making us feel they are doing good to us (in a country we call our own). All U have to do is to discourage me and others sey? This attitude people put up in this trend is somehow annoying and please if U are not in support of this, I think U should not write any negative and annoying words here so that we can know were we are heading to. Thanks

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